So Captaintreacherous is going to be available down under, via Empire Stallions.
Surprise! Not. About a year ago most of us were thinking along those lines anyway, my blog here.
It is great news. I love his pedigree and his quality. Whether that will convert into being a great sire and taking the Somebeachsomewhere sire line into the future, only time will tell. But he will get every opportunity I think.
His maternal family is of course Romola Hal, and I’ve recently completed a series of blogs on that (just use my blog search “Romola Hal” to pull those up). What an extraordinary maternal line for producing sires and potent broodmare sires and broodmares, as well as damn good racehorses.
In America, strongly backed by Hanover Farms, Captaintreacherous got 140 mares at US$15,000, so it will be very interesting to see how he is positioned here.
Will cost make any difference? He’s bound to be desirable – but if he heads into the $9,000+ market here which is highly likely, then that will cut out many of us who have to make hard decisions about a handful of mares, and these days a choice of one high priced sire may very well mean other mares go to $5000 or cheaper sires or are given a break for a year.
And as an unproven sire on the track, he is a risk for a several years, in terms of progeny performance (although not necessarily such a risk for selling progeny from good mares). We know in New Zealand how his own sire has taken time to get traction, and I am not sure if that has even happened yet to the extent that might have been expected. Personally, I see Captaintreacherous as a much sounder breeding prospect here than his sire, simply because there is more in his maternal line that can connect with what we have here. The timing of his arrival with the growing number of quality mares from the wider “herd” of U7 (Miss Duvall) and an increasing number of Western Hanover line mares being available, is another plus for Captaintreacherous. So while there is a risk going to him, I think his commercial appeal (e.g. for the more elite mares and for yearling sales) will be greater than his own sire and give his grandad Mach Three a run for his money as well.
There is the frozen semen factor too – that will be a big factor in how quickly his reputation gains a hold.
Frustrating, isn’t it, that at this time of the year several key studs including Empire have still got a “TBA” against their sires’ service fees. So while I am excited about seeing Captaintreacherous available (and hopefully in New Zealand as well as Australia) it is a real shame these announcements don’t come along with key information like how much the service fee is and who will be the agents in other places (particularly with frozen semen which requires skill and knowledge at the delivery end). He may be booked out or close to it before we know what price we might have to pay. It is not a good commercial model, certainly not one that is used by others industries or in retail unless you are in a straight out bargaining situation. Breeders have to plan finances in advance just like anyone else. I can understand that our northern and southern hemispheres are “out of whack” in terms of breeding and racing seasons, and that negotiations are sensitive and take time. But Captaintreacherous has already served a season in North America, so it is not like he has just come off the track and his career is undecided. Surely if the announcement can be made, the price has been agreed?
(Update 7 July 2016: Buried down the bottom of the news item on their website (but not included in the enewsletter announcement I received) is the announcement that “His frozen semen is available in Australia for $10,000 including GST and in New Zealand $10,000 plus GST, payable by April 1, 2017.” However the need to get their website updated as all the service fees are showing TBA and Captaintreacherous is not yet on the list.)
Alabar has got its service fees sorted . Nevele R is still “TBA” on its stallions although the recently announced Muscles Mass has been announced at $7,000.
I’m sure other service fees will be announced soon. But while many are likely to stay pretty much the same as last year, it is still important for breeders to know as early as possible if there are any likely adjustments up or down. In this environment, every thousand dollars makes a difference and cannot always be pulled like a nice white rabbit out of the hat.
Congratulations to Empire for sealing the deal and making such a great horse available down under!
b4breeding 
Hi Everyone.
With the declining number of mares being breed in both Australia and New Zealand, i am gob smacked that studs such has Empire are charging high prices for unproven sires..Artspeak $6,000 you have to be joking, Ok he was a decent race horse, by a proven sire but his maternal family is not littered with high profile sires..$9,000 for frozen popsicle of Captaintreacherous, plus at least $1,000 to be unfrozen and inseminated procedure…You would never get your investment back if you where to sell his first two crops at the sale until he proves himself…Stud farms have to get in touch with the real world of owners and breeders if they want to still be conducting business in the future.
Kind Regards.
Standardbred Breeding For All website..
Really hard to know what is value, and I don’t think sire owners and studs are “creaming it” if you’ll excuse the term. They are amongst many industry stakeholders who are being asked to take high risks for variable rewards. I know very little about Artspeak yet, but I think Captaintreacherous at $10,000 is not unreasonable for the proven quality of his family. Of course I might have said the same when Red River Hanover first came here – proven family and stunning performing family, but not all sons of a great maternal family (and not all great racehorses) are going to become great sires. I think the first couple of seasons for the Captain down under will be very buoyant for well matched progeny and likewise the first yearling sale or two, but they will still only pay premium prices for type and individuals. Then everyone will be looking at North America to see what happens (and also how his frozen semen fertility stats and early reports are figuring here). Same happened with Rock N Roll Heaven – started out at premium price but dropped to a more reasonable one as he has fought his way to credibility. So if you don’t have a top mare, advice would be to wait a couple of seasons and let the richer breeders and buyers help settle his reputation, then come in at year 3 when his price may well drop to keep the numbers up. (I don’t always follow my own advice of course…)