Posts Tagged ‘Rodine Hanover’

Blog followers will know my series earlier in the year tracing the Romola Hal family and some of its branches “down under”. That’s the family of Art Major and Captain Treacherous – quite close up. I didn’t cover all of the descendants, and one branch which wished to fly under the radar at that time was Dot Schmidt’s mare Mataranka Maggie in Australia. It’s been a bit of a passion for Dot, but circumstances have changed, and now is the time for some other breeder to step up and carry on!

Mataranka Maggie (b 2002) – Armbro Aussie x Rostrata (Windshield Wiper). Wouldn’t be available to move from Benstud in Victoria until after this year’s foal is weaned (not born yet) but new owners could breed her this season, she has been easy to get in foal and is a great mother.

Dot is a very astute and knowledgeable breeder, and has a familiarity with pedigrees that I really admire. So far with this mare she has invested in quality, but situations change and Dot now believes it is time to pass the mare to another breeder. This is one of the greatest modern maternal families. Thanks to Dot, the mare has already bred back to the Romola Hanover line, several times. So there is something going on in the background which may end up supporting a new breeder’s decisions. She will tell you the details of those foals, which are recent and still to figure in terms of racing.

Don’t miss this chance. I did the same thing in buying Dreamy Romance (from Romola Hal family) and it is one of the most exciting and potentially good decisions I’ve made as a breeder. Dot is open minded about cost, this is not an expensive buy at all. But, hey, what a wonderful opportunity!

Mataranka Maggie is descended from Romola Hal’s daughter Romola Hanover, so this is the same family branch as Rodine Hanover (Art Major and Perfect Art, Captaintreacherous, Real Artist and so on). That’s the good news.

The challenging news is that the next daughter in the family tree is called Romette Hanover and she doesn’t appear on the Classic Family database at all.  And yet, there’s more to the story than that. Romette Hanover actually had just 9 starts for 1 win, 1 second and 1 third. More than that, she was a daughter of the cross of Dancer Hanover x Romola Hanover. So all those great background family nicks are there: with Tar Heel and then Dancer Hanover. Romette Hanover went to a range of sires for 10 foals in America and more in Australia, but as Dot will probably tell you, they didn’t make the best choices of sires for her. Yet, more than half of them have wins against their name and a couple were good accumulators of wins – the tough aged horses.

One of Romette Hanover’s progeny was Rostrata, by Windshield Wiper. And Rostrata is the dam of the mare that Dot has for “very reasonable” sale. That’s another positive, as Windshield Wiper brings in some really nice lines – Adios and his full sister Adieu double up, plus The Old Maid on the X line and then another double up this time to Kings Counsel who is the damsire of Meadow Skipper. And the immediate damsire of Mataranka Maggie is Armbro Aussie (who brings in Tar Heel again, with Adios and Nibble Hanover in his maternal line, and then Volomite.)

So what you get with this mare for sale is some damn impressive breeding which needs to step up. Dot has done her bit, with a big investment in Art Major as a sire.

What about you?

As they say in sport, form changes but class is permanent. If Dot will forgive me, I’d suggest changing tack at this point and trying something new – what about Roll With Joe (look at the pedigree mix with the mare and damsire Armbro Aussie’s good attributes) or Heston Blue Chip for some maternal line hook ups and of course if you want to go up in price and more commercial in either of those directions there is Bettor’s Delight (instead of Roll With Joe) and Captaintreacherous (instead of Heston Blue Chip). PS Dot has added a couple of other suggestions in a comment on this blog.

There are other options I covered off in my Romola Hal blog series, including viewing the “herd” wider to include extended branches of the wonderful kicking on Klata Thorne (Miss Duvall) family which Romola Hal belongs to. That includes all the K Nora/Adora branches like Western Ideal, American Ideal and He’s Watching.

The mare is waiting. Just contact Dot for more details:



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This blog is a tripler – all connected to Somebeachsomewhere and what maternal lines bring (or don’t bring) to the table, and whether sire/damsire crosses are all they are cracked up to be. It doesn’t offer nice and simple solutions but is really trying to keep our “breeders minds” open, to keep us thinking.

Where to for Artsplace mares? Equineexcellence does some research.

Ray Chaplin of equineexcellence.biz has once again produced a thought provoking article challenging a simplistic interpretation of “Breed the best to the best and hope for the best”. I mentioned this in my last blog and will explain a bit more now.

He asks:

If the “go to” sire for Artsplace mares was Rocknroll Hanover, with the tragic death of that horse, should breeders with Artsplace mares switch to Somebeachsomewhere as the next best thing on the block – after all, Captaintreacherous is out of an Artsplace mare (Worldly Treasure).

He also looks at whether the Somebeachsomewhere cross with Artsplace mares is all that Captaintreacherous makes it appear.

Check out Ray’s take on this match, and why he advises caution:

The contribution of broodmare sires is often over estimated in valuable breeding tools such as the USTA and HRNZ “Crosses of Gold” publications. Whilst they can often provide a good lead as to which stallion to breed a mare to, they can just as often mislead breeders.

What I like about Ray’s approach is that he does the homework to back up his observations. This is good thought-provoking stuff for breeders.

I recommend you order a free copy of this report by emailing contact@equineexcellence.biz

Can you duplicate success by following the same cross?

Now I want to look more closely at SBSW’s maternal pedigree. The focus has been on the Mach Three cross with a Beach Towel mare. But I believe a quick glance at his pedigree raises some interesting things. His maternal greatgrandam is The Booger Lady, who got 12 wins herself and was the dam of the very good Cam Terrific (by Cam Fella) and some other well performed racehorses.  The descendant families have had very mixed results, with a couple of very nice horses popping up in several of the branches but nothing consistent.

The best performed branch is his granddam’s Where’s Sarah (by Cam Fella) who has had two by Artsplace who earned over $300,000.

SBSW’s dam Where’s The Beach (by Beach Towel) has had 9 foals for 6 winners including SBSW and 2 others that have won over $100,000 – the rest just average. Four of her foals were by Astreos which indicates perhaps a belief that a top performing son of Artsplace would nick well with the mare given Where’s Sarah’s results with Artsplace.  The mare has had two other foals by Mach Three (as well as SBSW) but to date the results are not mimicking the success of Somebeachsomewhere. But the faith is strong: In 2011 a full brother yearling Some Of The Beach sold for $430,000 – the highest price ever paid for an Ontario-sired yearling.

With these results it is quite a long bow to draw that the Mach Three x Beach Towel cross is the major factor in the family’s recent results.

A 7 win Astreos half sister to Somebeachsomewhere, named Child From The Sea,was bought off the track and exported to Australia and bred (almost inevitably) to Mach Three for a filly who is now a 3yo called Mariquita Amor.  She  has had only two starts this season for 1 win and just over $11,000. A Mach Three colt and another Mach Three filly have followed before a switch in breeding was made last season to Courage Under Fire. These matches of course put Beach Towel further back in the pedigree and bring in another totally different maternal line via Astreous (and one that at first glance doesn’t look particularly strong but it’s not a family I’m familiar with). It will be interesting to see what eventuates!

Overall, Somebeachsomewhere has a very nice family but not an outstanding one. You could argue the Beach Towel x Cam Fella mare cross (same as Jenna’s Beach Boy) and now the Mach Three x Beach Towel mare cross (Somebeachsomewhere and Sir Lincoln) are really underpinning the family’s success – but I think the family picture is more complex and less certain than that.

If you want up-to-date information about SBSW’s siring career, follow enthusiastic supporter blog for Somebeachsomewhere here

Somebeachsomewhere had tremendous speed aided by a sensational gait and willpower. In my view his ability to stamp those mental and physical attributes may be more important for breeders to consider than what he brings to the table via his maternal pedigree.

Credit should go to strong maternal lines

Let’s have a look now at Somebeachsomewhere’s outstanding son Captaintreacherous, and another instance where it is tempting to grab hold of a potential golden cross (Somebeachsomewhere x Artplace mare).

Captaintreacherous’s dam, Worldly Treasure, is a full sister to pacing mare Worldly Beauty, who was a two-time Dan Patch Award winner and earned nearly $2 million lifetime. Their dam was World Order (1:53 $267,205) and her dam was Rodine Hanover.

Yes, that’s the Rodine Hanover who is grandam of Art Major, Perfect Art, and Panspacificflight as well as being the dam of Real Artist and other very good racehorses from a range of sires.

Suddenly we are getting into such a strong maternal line that we need to take more into consideration than a simplistic click between a sire and damsire which sort of ignores the tremendous wealth of genetic talent along the maternal bottom line.

Here is a very interesting quote from Hickory Lane’s  Harness Racing Update 3 February this year about Captaintreacherous:

(Brittany racing manager) Myron Bell likes to say that any horse can be a great 2-year-old but it takes pedigree to be a great 3-year-old. Great 2-year-olds that come back to be great 3-year-olds have to have the maternal pedigree to carry them through the 3-year-old year. Any horse can get away with just having speed at two. This horse has a star pedigree and that is why we paid what we paid for him (Captaintreacherous) as yearling.

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