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I’ve done a few blogs on and off about Tintin In America as a sire, and what might do well with him.

Now it’s time for me to put ‘my money where my mouth is’ and have a go at breeding to him myself.

Obviously my two mares breeding mares are not suitable – being his mum and his half sister! So I have been keeping an eye out for something that would be compatible and interesting in type and pedigree.

Sophie's Choice

Sophie’s Choice

I’ve been lucky to lease the mare Sophie’s Choice (Rustler Hanover-Mattalie Cole) from Lynda Mellsop.

She’s a 10yo mare with 3 wins to her name, no star but a nice type, and to0k a record (placed) of 1:57.8. She is a tall mare about 15.3h, but not heavy boned and has an attractive head. She’s had 3 live foals to date, by American Ideal (not raced), Art Major (2yo), and a weanling by Bettor’s Delight. After failing to get the mare in foal to Christian Cullen last season, Lynda decided to lease her out.

Sophie’s Choice was bred by N S Gibson and raced in the South Island for trainer Lance Hanrahan in 2006 and 2007 for 3 wins and 6 places from 18 starts, including wins at Forbury Park and Addington.

The obvious point of interest for a match with Tintin In America is that the dam Sophie’s Choice (Mattalie Cole by Matt’s Scooter) is a half-sister to Nihilator, who is McArdle’s damsire and in my view was influential in the type of horse Tintin turned out to be. This is expressed as a 5 x 3 to Margie’s Melody. This family on the bottom maternal line is really hard to find in New Zealand.

A foal by Tintin In America would also be 4x4x4 to Direct Scooter. I am looking to inject a bit of speed into the mare, so I see that as an advantage, and all these threads of Direct Scooter come from via different routes.

There is also the lovely Golden Miss line coming from Rustler Hanover, who is a son of the great producer Rich N Elegant. The  match of Shadow Wave and Golden Miss produced Shifting Sands, who left three remarkable fillies – Proven Perfect (the dam of Rich N Elegant), Whispering Sands (Real Desire’s and Safely Kept’s great-grandam), and Shifting Scene (whose daughter Blue Horizon is the dam of Panorama, grandam of Grinfromeartoear and for that reason appears twice in the pedigree of new sire on the block Smiling Shard). And Shadow Wave is another element I believe is influential in Tintin In America’s make-up.

So overall it is a nicely balanced and interesting pedigree match, and a type of mare that should complement Tintin well.

We have a long way to go – first step is to get her in foal. In this game, you never take things for granted!  I’ll follow progress on this blog.

6 generations tintin x sophies choice pedigree match Tesio

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A bonus from my trip to the NZSBA breeders conference in Christchurch was the opportunity to visit Nevele R Stud and see Tintin In America, whom I bred, and some of his weanlings.

My visit was a lovely echo of my only other trip to Nevele R, which happened the year I decided to put Zenterfold to McArdle, which resulted in Tintin In America being born.

That day was just the same – raining, and the array of famous racehorses/sires standing in their paddocks with their covers on, looking just like any horse. I particularly recall Courage Under Fire (standing at Nevele R at that stage) who looked almost lost under his cover, being the small horse he is, as the rain poured down around us.

Tintin In America, Sire

Breeder Bee Pears with Tintin In America at Nevele R Stud, May 2013

That was about 8 years ago. Kym and I were shown around personally by Bob McArdle;  it was a fascinating tour with plenty of commentary by Bob, followed by a fairly robust discussion as we all sheltered in our Hilux ute and debated the merits of putting my mare Zenterfold to Falcon Seelster (which Bob advocated) or McArdle (which I was more interested in doing).

As history shows us, I stuck with McArdle.

So it was lovely last Saturday to come full circle and be standing alongside Tintin In America the sire, in the rain, at Nevele R all these years later.

Tintin retired very sore in one leg joint after super seasons as one of our top racehorses from 2yo to 4yo, and almost reaching a million dollars of earnings.

The good news is: he is very well in himself and full of attitude in the paddock, and very fertile in the barn. Thanks to Nevele R in doing such a good job in settling him in to his new career.

There’s no doubt what sticks in people’s mind about Tintin is his incredible acceleration and speed.  As he grew older he developed the strength to hold that sprint longer. At times, he appeared to be low flying down the home straight. That sort of acceleration is hard to come by.

He was a medium sized horse, but a first foal from a medium sized mare. From what I have seen, his foals are quite striking types of good size. I saw two at Nevele R and both had white blazes which could be their own family influences but I have also noted the blaze/snip influence in Tintin’s family. Interesting.

I’d love to hear from people who have foals/weanlings by Tintin. Email me at bee.raglan@xtra.co.nz and tell me about them.

Personally, I am negotiating a share in a well bred weanling filly by Tintin In America, and have leased another mare to put to him with a very interesting pedigree match. But more about those  at a later date.

I’m a careful and thoughtful breeder and I believe he’s worth a good punt as a sire.

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Have a look at this filly bred by Brett Coffey – what a lovely type!

She’s the one in the foreground.

She’s by Tintin In America from the 6-win (1.57.4) Live Or Die mare I Am Special.

She reminds me a lot of Tintin when he was a similar age, especially that head and the eye!

Filly by Tintin In America filly

Tintin In America x I Am Special Filly photo from Brett Coffey

Nevele R tell me that Tintin In America got 54 mares this past season, compared to 40 in his first season, and the type he is leaving is exciting.

He deserves quality mares like I Am Special, who won the WASBA Breeders Stakes, and gained 11 places as well as her 6 wins.

I’m interested in hearing from breeders of real quality mares, particularly by Live Or Die, Badlands Hanover, Grinfromeartoear, Soky’s Atom, Holmes Hanover and Falcon Seelster, and younger mares from top sires like Art Major and Bettor’s Delight who would consider putting their mare to Tintin In America this coming season. I would love to see him get some really top mares.

Please contact me if you would like to discuss:  bee.raglan@xtra.co.nz

He was a racehorse with freakish acceleration and attitude, and the strength to hold his phenomenal sprint further and further as he matured.

 

 

 

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A recent query asked what I thought about this cross: Tintin In America with a Trump Casino mare. It is an interesting question as Trump Casino is a son of Falcon Seelster and McArdle (sire of Tintin In America is also a son of Falcon Seelster).

Basically my response is this: unless I knew more about the mare, particularly her maternal lines, her conformation, ability/attributes, I really would not want to make a recommendation in a particular case. Even then, I would rather you work it out!

That is what b4breeding is all about – encouraging you as the breeder to take what you know of your mares and families (because you know far better than me) and to make informed or at least thoughtful decisions. “Look b4 you leap” – and that is not a warning, it’s an encouragement to dive in, but at least to be aware of the risks and the waters…

Trump Casino is an Australian sire I know little of, so won’t pretend to have that close up knowledge of how he is perceived as a sire or (more importantly) how he really performs as a sire or damsire. I have had a quick look at his stats, but not enough to really understand where he sits in terms of current performance and perception. He’s not in the top tier though. The sire and broodmare pool in New Zealand, where I am, and in Australia (where the question comes from and where Trump Casino stands) is quite different. I don’t have the resources to be very knowledgeable about Australian breeding. But the principles for breeders making decisions are going to be the similar.

Here’s what I do know – because I bred and raised him:

With Tintin In America, as I have already stated in a past blog,  I would not exclude Falcon Seelster mares for him. That is because Falcon is such an outcross sire, and that where he would sit twice in such a pedigree would not really worry me in terms of the resulting foal.

Falcon Seelster is a sire that Tintin’s wider family has mixed well with previously (Elsu, Falcor, De Lovely etc). So that would be a plus factor in a Tintin In America/Trump Casino mare cross.

Personally, I don’t think McArdle (Tintin’s sire) has a lot of Falcon Seelster influence in him. I think he may be driven by the genes he got from his dam lines rather than from his dad. The Falcon Seelster factor (his click with the family previously) was not a big factor in my selection of McArdle for Tintin’s dam Zenterfold.

Add to that, Tintin In America is strongly rooted in his own very good maternal family, and may well be just as much influenced by those connections as by his granddad. Keep that firmly in mind when you are looking at mares for Tintin!

So to summarise – I would be relaxed and happy about mixing Falcon Seelster back to Tintin in the maternal lines or sire lines of mares.

Trump Casino appears from his record to have done supremely well as a 3yo with 21 starts for 9 wins and 10 seconds, and took a 1:49.2 record as a 4yo.  That seems to have been in Kentucky, which is not a state with strong standardbred siring prospects. His maternal family is not familiar. He must have been a sound horse, carrying on racing until 8yo. A nice horse! Tough and durable, strong and consistent 3, 4 and 5yo seasons. I love these type of horses. His dam Laker’s Fortune was a good race mare, earning over $300,00.  I was interested to find Trump Casino’s grandamsire Adios Boy was one of the first 2yos to break the 2 min mile barrier, and Adios Boy appears in the bottom line pedigrees of both Camluck and Presidential Ball.  Trump Casino’s damsire Fortune Teller was a son of Governor Skipper, a Little Brown Jug winning son of Meadow Skipper – neither of them carried on the Meadow Skipper line to any extent but they were good horses.

Call me biased (but I have absolutely no financial interest in Tintin as a sire) I do think he deserves a chance to show what he can do as a sire. In previous blogs I’ve given lots of information about Tintin and his family and my breeding decisions around that (See the blogs It’s business time, the one on Shadow Wave, on Tintin Are you looking for speed and Tintin’s fertility 90% and the page on Destination Moon for example). So hopefully some of that will be helpful in deciding if Tintin is a good sire for your mare.

Remember! You need to make the decision first about what qualities your mare is bringing to the table – what she offers, and then what she might need. A sire cannot provide a miracle, only a shot of semen filled with a number of  genetic options that may or may not be compatible with your mare.

Fun, isn’t it!!

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Tintin’s Ultimate Arma filly foal just days old. The white blaze is likely to come from the family as the mare has produced some white markings before, but don’t be surprised to see some blazes or stripes in other Tintin foals as it’s also in his genes courtesy of Shadow Wave. Think of Elsu and my own Destination Moon (see his page on this blogsite)

Tintin In America’s first foals are arriving – it was great to see the photo of Ultimate Arma’s gorgeous looking, leggy filly (photo) and Peter O’Rourke of Nevele R tells me the second of his foals on the ground is a ‘big strapping colt” in Australia that the breeders are thrilled with. So that might settle a few worries about Tintin leaving small foals! As readers of my blogs will know, I made that point some time ago. Tintin may be well suited to bigger mares, but more for the ‘kick’ he could give them than for any certainty that he will downsize them physically. I hope to keep you posted as more Tintin foals arrive.

I am the breeder of Tintin In America but I have no financial interest in him as a sire.

I say that upfront, because this is a plug for Tintin as a great option for breeders who are looking for exceptional speed and competitiveness in a sire.

Why? Because he offers a lot, and at an incredibly affordable price. Breeders who find  Bettor’s Delight,  Somebeachsomewhere or Rock N Roll Heaven out of reach for their mares have now got the option of going to a multi-Group 1 performer who raced at the top level as a 2, 3 and 4 year old, who possesses almost freakish high speed, has absolute determination to compete and win, comes from an outstanding family, and has a genetic structure that will allow many mares to potentially ‘click’ with him.

That’s 5 very good reasons to consider him right now. Add high fertility and you’ve got 6.

There have been few horses in recent years who possessed such a potent burst of high speed. Not just a quick sprint up the passing line, but extraordinary high speed that could be sustained over  200 to 300 metres, with never any hesitation or loss of gait. No wobbles, just woosh!

There are other good New Zealand-bred sires currently available in the “economy seats” that also showed precocious ability and speed as young performers – Gotta Go Cullect (his record as a 2yo was 1:57, and best winning time over his career 1:57), Gotta Go Cullen (1:58.3 and 1:57.3), and Ohoka Arizona (1:56.2 and 1:56.2).  Changeover (2:00.2 and 1:53.4) was not a natural 2yo type and more of a staying type,  but did form a terrific record over many seasons at  consistently fast times.

Tintin In America’s equivalent times are 1:55.9 as a 2yo, and 1:53.2 lifetime record. In fact over the 3 seasons he raced his record was 1:55.9 as a 2yo, 1:53.2 (in New Zealand as a 3yo), 1.56.3 (in Australia as a 3yo), and 1:54.1 as a 4yo.  In other words, his exceptional high speed was more than just a flash in pan as a 2yo. He carried that ability through the next two years, and developed the strength to carry his sprint further and further, and mix up his racing style to maximise his opportunities to use that speed to the best advantage. Credit here not just to trainer Geoff Small, but also to driver David Butcher, for the education that accompanied Tintin’s physical and mental development over that time.

What’s in his genes that explains that high speed factor?

Start with the immediate family. His dam is Zenterfold, who was very much an In The Pocket type of filly – medium height and slimline build with a very competitive attitude, and speedy. All her four wins were under a 2 minute mile rate and her best winning time was 1.56.6. She was good enough to win the Sires Stakes 3yo Fillies Silver.  She comes from a very talented family with a lot of depth and breadth to it.  Shining examples on various branches include Motoring Magic and Interchange, De Lovely and Copper Beach, Elsu of course, and closer to home Zenterfold’s half brothers Zensational, Zenad and the very talented Zenola Seelster (and doesn’t his turn of foot in the home straight remind you of Tintin In America). There is a mix there of sprinting types and staying types, but both types show the determination, will to win, and strength to hold speed that Tintin did.

Tintin as a young foal himself. Just loved to run, and to run fast.

Tintin was Zenterfold’s first foal – and all her other foals to date have qualified as 2yos.  Zenstar (Falcon Seelster) held a NZ record of 1.55.8 as a 2yo. The Blue Lotus (Grinfromeartoear) has a career best of 1.56.6 and was 3rd behind Bettor Cover Lover and Carabella in the Sires Stakes 3yo Fillies Final. The Grin colt I bred and sold at the 2012 yearling sales has been noted by trainer Gareth Dixon as a nice type showing up early and probably heading to the 2yo Young Guns series.

So that is why you can look at Tintin’s speed and competitive streak and have confidence it is not an isolated fluke. It’s very much in the genes.

I chose McArdle as the sire for a number of reasons. Tintin has become McArdle’s best Australasian performer to date, and McArdle will need a few more to rise above the ‘good percentages’ category as a sire. But that is not an issue when looking at Tintin as a sire. Where McArdle adds value to Tintin’s siring prospects and to breeders confidence, is the compatibility of his genes with Zenterfold.  Basically, the match is one which has increased the quality of Tintin’s genetic platform. Specifically, it underscores the speed attributes that Tintin’s dam provided through her In The Pocket connection and also (importantly) through her damsire New York Motoring. New York Motoring carries two high performing genes when it comes to raw ability and speed – Most Happy Fella on his y line and Shadow Wave on his x line. The branches of Tintin’s family that have proven to be strongest in terms of top performers are those that have New York Motoring in the mix – namely from the NYM mare Interchange (dam of Elsu, Falcor, Revonez, granddam of Copper Beach, great-grandam of De Lovely) and from NYM mare Zenola Star, dam of Zenterfold and Zenola Seelster and grandam of Tintin In America.

In McArdle’s pedigree I was not so interested in Most Happy Fella as a double up, but that his presence on McArdle’s maternal line would help ‘call’ to the Shadow Wave factor in Zenterfold’s pedigree.  I also liked the fact that McArdle’s grandam, Happy Sharon, a daughter of Most Happy Fella, was a very, very classy and fast racemare and a good producer from a range of sires. She was bred to Nihilator to get Lilting Laughter, McArdles dam, who got a couple of placings in her only 3 starts, but was a full sister to Smiley Face who racked up 42 wins and a best 1.53 in his career.  Nihilator mares have also done well With Shadow Wave, and that also gave me a sense of compatibility in this McArdle x Zenterfold mix.  Again, b4breeding blog readers will know that I hold Shadow Wave in high esteem as a factor in pedigrees through the maternal lines, and I was keen to tap into his contribution to Zenterfold’s genetic makeup.

In a previous blog I suggested some mares that I would like to see Tintin get, but the range that he would suit is very wide. What he provides is a solid genetic foundation, and plenty of opportunity to tap into that. You might want to avoid a son of In The Pocket as the sire, but then again the double up would not be in positions that would worry me genetically. Likewise (or in the reverse) I wouldn’t rule out Falcon Seelster mares. But both of those options may carry some degree of risk re too much mental assertivenesss. That’s all I would keep an eye on. Tintin had a very assertive, although not nasty, temperament – he is a sire that would have survived in the wild, to be sure!  This determination and mental focus on winning is a thread running through the family that turns the natural ability to run into racetrack performance.

Mares to consider include those by Badlands Hanover, Live Or Die, Life Sign, Holmes Hanover. I’ll be cheeky enough to say Mach Three, Artsplace and Bettor’s Delight mares too, and only worry about size with Bettor’s Delight mares if it is your mare’s first foal and she is a small type herself. Mares with Albatross in their maternal lines – any Royal Mattjesty mares out there? – or with Soky’s Atom in their maternal lines would be a good match. also Grinfromeartoear mares that were tough but need an extra bit of speed. Another to consider if you want to upgrade and have a chance to inject speed in – Peruvian Hanover. And are there still some Lislea mares looking for a chance? What about those P-Forty Seven mares you don’t want to pursue as racehorses? Pacific Fella mares for a number of reasons could be excellent with Tintin In America.

In Australia, you will have another whole range of mares who may fit some of the potential genetic or type factors I’ve touched on. And I’d love to hear from breeders who have gone to Tintin In America, what their mares are, and why they chose Tintin. Please post up as comments on this blog.

I wish you every success with your foals!

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When I spoke to Nevele R Stud’s Peter O’Rourke  recently I was delighted to learn that Tintin In America has settled in very well at Nevele R and is relaxed and comfortable. The soreness in his leg is no worse and in fact a little better, and it has not affected collection of his semen at all. In fact Peter describes him as a ‘great little stallion” and his fertility rate for his first year standing as a sire will be around 90%, which is outstanding.

Tintin In America

Tintin In America winning the 3yo Breeders Crown.

Tintin In America served 63 mares this season (40 in NZ and 23 in Australia), including about 15 on farm at Nevele R.

Although that is lower than Nevele R hoped, Peter says there are reasons for it – the overall numbers of mares being bred to continues to downward trend so there are basically fewer mares spread around a healthy number of sires, and the stud also had the herpes virus alert which contributed to fewer mares on farm than usual.

However the quality of the mares Tintin In America got in his first season was good – about 50% were winning mares, Peter says, which shows a level of confidence in the sire. When a new ‘young gun’ stands at stud at such a reasonable fee, there is always the risk that the majority of mares he gets will be less performed ones brought in from the ‘back paddock’ in the hope that a miracle may occur!  Although Tintin had exceptional speed, it is a big ask to upgrade mares unless they also bring something to the table, and many a new sire at the lower end of the stud fee spectrum has faced that problem.

As a 15.1h stallion with a reputation for speed and endurance (he won at the highest level from age 2 to 4) he will be attractive match for medium and larger mares. It will be interesting to see if he is one of those sires who ‘stamp’ their progeny in type or not.  A really important attribute he will hopefully pass on is his will power, which his dam Zenterfold also had as a racehorse – a desire to win, a really competitive streak, an arrogance. My own belief is that Tintin’s ability is driven from his maternal line, and my selection of sires is really to complement that with additional scope, and to ‘call’ to its best genes through pedigree matching.  That’s not downplaying McArdle’s contribution as a sire, but just from knowing the family well.

As the breeder of Tintin In America I remain very interested in his well being, and it was great to get an invitation from Peter to visit him whenever I am in Christchurch.

Post note: Re my previous blog, when just about to leave for the yearling sales – Tintin In America’s half brother Lot 148 Destination Moon sold for $67,000 at the Australasian Classic sale at Karaka on 8 May 2012. That’s a price I’m very pleased with, and he has gone to a good owner (Kerry Hoggard) and good trainer (Gareth Dixon).  As I said in my blog, a good price like that gives something back to the vendor but also leaves room for the new owner to add value and hopefully get a good return. I will be following his progress with interest. He certainly had the same energy and assertiveness that Tintin had. Fingers crossed for the same speed!

(Apologies for the lack of blogs post sale, for a number of reasons including family ill health and computer problems I have not been able to get to the blog for the past couple of weeks.)

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It is with tremendous relief that I’ve learned the treatment of Tintin’s soreness problem has been successful, in that he is now much more comfortable and is possibly heading for a career at stud (now confirmed he will be standing at Nevele R stud).

I look over what he did as a racehorse –
p2, 1:55.9; p3, 1:53.2 $934,305 16 wins. At 2, wnr G1 Sires’ Stakes 2yo Final, 2nd Listed NZ Yrlg SS Open, 3rd G1 NZ Welcome Stakes, Listed 2YO Emerald. 2YO NZ record holder over 1950m. At 3, wnr G1 3YO Emerald, G1 Australasian Breeders Crown Final, NRM Sires’ Stks heat, 2nd G1 NZ Derby, 2nd G1 Sires’ Stks Final. At 4, wnr G1 4YO Emerald, G1 NZ Messenger Championship, G2 4YO Futurity Stks, G3 Kumeu Stks, 2nd G1 Akld Cup. NZ record holder over 2700m.

Wow!

And also the excitment he brought to racing.

Tintin with Zenterfold and Kym Kearns

A young Tintin with Zenterfold and Kym Kearns

But what I remember most is the young Tintin full of character, cheeky, assertive, tough minded from an early age. He radiated determination and energy as potent as a coiled spring. Thanks to Kym’s ability to educate a young horse without supressing their spirit, he could bring all that energy with him to the trainer, and Geoffrey Small knew the family and recognised the talent, and could channel that energy and assertiveness into remarkable performances on the track.

What could he be as a sire? People will look to him for speed – we need another Bettors Delight, a sire that can add speed and is forgiven for not necessarily adding size. Of course speed on the track doesn’t necessarily convert into leaving speed as a sire. But in Tintin’s favour, he has a remarkable family behind him, and both a dam and sire who were speedy. As well as genotype, he has phenotype on his side – those quick flex muscles and the body type that can certainly express speed more easily than bigger, heavy types.

In a future blog, I’ll dig into this in more detail. But for now, I’m celebrating Tintin – a neat horse, a thrill to be part of – and wishing him, above all, comfort and freedom from pain.

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